Curse

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Don't get your panties in a knot. If you choose to do something other people find disreputable, you'll garner a bad reputation and people won't respect you. It's your choice, and if you choose to take advantage of new people, live with the consequences of your actions.

In other words: if you're going to do things that garner disrespect and give you a bad reputation, learn to live with it. It's absurd to admit to doing things that other people find disreputable and then get angry because those same people lose respect for you.

I am SO so SO sure I am going to lose respect after posting in this thread. People who know me and RESPECT ME, already know I am a power trader. If they somehow lose respect for me, so be it. I am not going to post a new thread QQ-ing and blaming this thread for making me lose my "reputation".

You probably are gaining lots of respect now for being "ethical". Good for ya.

Lacroix · Apr 24, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

By the time a player has gotten to an area where desired items drop, they should have enough common sense/knowledge to research the item.

What about a black dye in Pre-Searing? Would you buy it from them for 100 gold? How about the fact that they might not KNOW it's desirable? They find an item, they sell it. They don't know if it's wanted or not.

If a person KNOWS that a Voltaic Spear, for example, is well wanted, but doesn't know how much he should sell it for, then, okay, his fault for not checking the price. But guess what? A majority of the people who would sell it for a low price don't know ANYthing about the item.

Ctb · Apr 24, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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I am SO so SO sure I am going to lose respect after posting in this thread. People who know me and RESPECT ME, already know I am a power trader. If they somehow lose respect for me, so be it. I am not going to post a new thread QQ-ing and blaming this thread for making me lose my "reputation".

That's fine, but my question becomes: if you don't care, why are you exerting so much effort trying to legitimize what you do to the rest of us?

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by Lacroix

What about a black dye in Pre-Searing? Would you buy it from them for 100 gold? How about the fact that they might not KNOW it's desirable? They find an item, they sell it. They don't know if it's wanted or not.

If a person KNOWS that a Voltaic Spear, for example, is well wanted, but doesn't know how much he should sell it for, then, okay, his fault for not checking the price. But guess what? A majority of the people who would sell it for a low price don't know ANYthing about the item.

Are you talking about black dye or buying things for way cheaper in general? If you are specifically talking just about Black Dye in Pre-Searing, then start another thread.

By the way, everyone on the "other side" seems to be talking about "New Player". How on earth you know that guy's new? (like one week old in gw)

Nazar Razak · Apr 24, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

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Originally Posted by Lacroix

If a person KNOWS that a Voltaic Spear, for example, is well wanted, but doesn't know how much he should sell it for, then, okay, his fault for not checking the price. But guess what? A majority of the people who would sell it for a low price don't know ANYthing about the item.

That must of took alot of research...

Also, i think this topic should be locked, un-needed tension here.

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 04:42 PM // 16:42

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Originally Posted by Ctb

That's fine, but my question becomes: if you don't care, why are you exerting so much effort trying to legitimize what you do to the rest of us?

GW is boring for me. There isn't anything much I can do about GW beside spamming forums. And since I am spamming, might as well spam something that makes sense. Doesn't it make sense to ya?

And I am not trying to legitimize what I do, I am legitimizing WHAT WE DO, to the few of you.

Oh, before someone else brings up, Anyone wants to QQ about how outdated the PC guides are on this forum?

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Many people have sold black dye for 1g or 100g in pre-searing, it's hardly ground breaking stuff.

Lacroix · Apr 24, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by kobey

Are you talking about black dye or buying things for way cheaper in general? If you are specifically talking just about Black Dye in Pre-Searing, then start another thread.

By the way, everyone on the "other side" seems to be talking about "New Player". How on earth you know that guy's new? (like one week old in gw)

Buying things for way cheaper in general. And also, no, I don't know if he's new. But honestly? Even if the guy had FoW armor and KoaBD r5 and was selling a Voltaic Spear for 10k, I'd still say "Dude, you know it's worth more, right?"

Lord Sojar · Apr 24, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Trolling? No

Pointing out a fact. Seeing as you didn't counter the argument, and instead came back with the trolling crap, I will presume I hit the nail on the head.

I have money, I don't take advantage of people. I do buy low, sell high. But there is a point where it is clear the person doesn't know what an item is worth.

WTS: Ruby Djinn Polymock Piece, 17k! <---- person selling low

WTS: Ruby Djinn Polymock Piece, gold! 2k! <----- person oblivious to value.

Lycan Nibbler · Apr 24, 2008, 04:44 PM // 16:44

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Originally Posted by kobey

Are you talking about black dye or buying things for way cheaper in general? If you are specifically talking just about Black Dye in Pre-Searing, then start another thread.

By the way, everyone on the "other side" seems to be talking about "New Player". How on earth you know that guy's new? (like one week old in gw)

Black dye is a valid EXAMPLE of something that a new player wouldnt know the value of and hence a valid part of this thread.
I have informed people in pre searing of the true value when I have seen them asking and being told 100g by people (plural).

Lycan Nibbler · Apr 24, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by kobey

GW is boring for me.

Oh, before someone else brings up, Anyone wants to QQ about how outdated the PC guides are on this forum?

Well theres something for you to do! well volunteered! :P

Ctb · Apr 24, 2008, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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And I am not trying to legitimize what I do, I am legitimizing WHAT WE DO, to the few of you.

Nice attempt at trolling me into this personally, but you'll be more effective using it on someone who trades with other people. All my high end stuff is customized and stored on mules or at the Xunlai.

You didn't answer the question, though. If it's not bugging you, why are you exerting so much effort trying to save face?

pumpkin pie · Apr 24, 2008, 04:47 PM // 16:47

Even if the player has been playing for a long time and does not know the pricing. one should not prey on them either.

I also do not think the majority of the guild wars community are "power traders" I would says is we the non-power trading majority and you the few.

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

Black dye is a valid EXAMPLE of something that a new player wouldnt know the value of and hence a valid part of this thread.
I have informed people in pre searing of the true value when I have seen them asking and being told 100g by people (plural).

I can't answer that question for you. Coz I don't do trades that give me profit under 10k.

But ya, for the black dye case, it probably is much clearer that the person is new. But its also partly his fault for not doing his research before selling.

Btw, why someone can type WTS and is not responsible of knowing his prices is beyond my understanding.

Lacroix · Apr 24, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

WTS: Ruby Djinn Polymock Piece, 17k! <---- person selling low

WTS: Ruby Djinn Polymock Piece, gold! 2k! <----- person oblivious to value.

THANK you. I don't mind people buying low/selling high, it's what you people do. Go ahead, have fun. But if you see someone selling something worth 40k for 2k, come on... do you have no shame?

Malice Black · Apr 24, 2008, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

I have money, I don't take advantage of people. I do buy low, sell high. But there is a point where it is clear the person doesn't know what an item is worth.

WTS: Ruby Djinn Polymock Piece, 17k! <---- person selling low

WTS: Ruby Djinn Polymock Piece, gold! 2k! <----- person oblivious to value.

All I see is a bigger profit. The seller is advertising it for 2k, so as far as I'm concerned he's happy selling for 2k. He gets 2k profit, I get a larger chunk of profit.

People are making out like these trades happen on a regular basis, they don't. It's very rare for an item to be picked up for a seriously cheap price. You can hang around in the spam districts for days and not get a wiff of a decent bargain.

SonofGrenth · Apr 24, 2008, 04:51 PM // 16:51

Absolutely yes, it only shows that the guy selling the item is willing to sell it for a very low price, regardless if it is worth more. Like when your tax bill gets to your house and it states 20 bucks instead of 200 bucks, wouldnt you want to save $180? I'm almost sure you wouldnt call the tax company and say they have mistyped, now would you?

kobey · Apr 24, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Even if the player has been playing for a long time and does not know the pricing. one should not prey on them either.

I also do not think the majority of the guild wars community are "power traders" I would says is we the non-power trading majority and you the few.

The highlighted word isn't a really correct word to use. Is there a way to prey on them? Or is there some secret spot which people like these appear? If so, please share.

Lycan Nibbler · Apr 24, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by kobey

I can't answer that question for you. Coz I don't do trades that give me profit under 10k.

But ya, for the black dye case, it probably is much clearer that the person is new. But its also partly his fault for not doing his research before selling.

Btw, why someone can type WTS and is not responsible of knowing his prices is beyond my understanding.

The problem is, as in the time I mentioned, that the person asked for a price check and was told 100g by three people (that happened to have the same tag.. go figure).

I am sure I have sold or merch stuff before that was valuable, but there are just times where my time is worth more to me playing the game - but thats my choice of course.

As you mentioned in another post though, there are those who use the PC in here to value items and then wonder why they are laughed at as they feel that the prices in there MUST be the true value....

WTB common sense

Arkantos · Apr 24, 2008, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Malice Black

Many people have sold black dye for 1g or 100g in pre-searing, it's hardly ground breaking stuff.

I sold 2 black dyes to the merchant my first month of playing. I sold a r9 15^50 chaos axe for more then 100k less then what it was worth during Prophecies. I was ignorant. From then on, I've always researched the item I was trying to sell.

Did I feel like an idiot? Yes. Did I deserve it? Yes. Lesson well learned.

The best lesson learned is learned through experience. People need to experience what it's like to sell an expensive item for cheap due to ignorance, so they can learn the be less ignorant. It's an online game, nobody is going to hold their hand. They need to learn stuff on their own.